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	<title>Comments on: Are CFLs A Bright Idea?</title>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://briansullivan.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2009/06/29/are-cfls-a-bright-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-5900</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that this is definitely a divisive issue, but please remember that it is important to recycle your CFLs and other fluorescent bulbs.  There&#039;s no reason not to, and it is very easy.  One innovative recycling program is EasyPak, which lets you mail in your fluorescent bulbs- check it out at www.lamprecycling.com.  It&#039;s especially good for businesses, schools, and hospitals that have lots of bulbs.  Also check out my bulb recycling blog at http://blog.lamprecycling.com/ .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that this is definitely a divisive issue, but please remember that it is important to recycle your CFLs and other fluorescent bulbs.  There&#8217;s no reason not to, and it is very easy.  One innovative recycling program is EasyPak, which lets you mail in your fluorescent bulbs- check it out at <a href="http://www.lamprecycling.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lamprecycling.com</a>.  It&#8217;s especially good for businesses, schools, and hospitals that have lots of bulbs.  Also check out my bulb recycling blog at <a href="http://blog.lamprecycling.com/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.lamprecycling.com/</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: Wally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The EPA standards for drinking water in parts per billion for Mercury is 2.
The atmospheric mercury appears to be negligible, as I can&#039;t find a single reliable source that reports it.  

A CFL appears to have 4-5 mg of mercury, or 2.24x10^-5 mol (using 4.5 mg), or 1.3x10^18 molecules of Hg.  That&#039;s 13 followed by 17 zeros.  For the Hg vapor in a CFL bulb to be bellow the 2 ppb it would need to be diffused in ~10^4 or 10,000 moles of air.  At sea level one mole of air takes up about 25 Liters.  So we need 250,000 Liters.  Or about 1/4 a cubic decameter (10m x 10m x 10m, or 1000m^3, a 1500 sq. ft. home would have a volume of about 139m3).  So, if you are anywhere near a CFL bulb and the time it breaks, you are almost certainly being over-exposed to Hg.  Not to mention if you are the one doing the breaking you&#039;re being exposed to this mercury possibly on your skin, and in a volume less than 1m^3.  

So, given the choice between having a coal burning plant add some Hg to the atmosphere or water and have it diluted down to &quot;safe&quot; standards or have the coal burning plant release less Hg and risk a high concentration dose of Hg in my home, I choose the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The EPA standards for drinking water in parts per billion for Mercury is 2.<br />
The atmospheric mercury appears to be negligible, as I can&#8217;t find a single reliable source that reports it.  </p>
<p>A CFL appears to have 4-5 mg of mercury, or 2.24&#215;10^-5 mol (using 4.5 mg), or 1.3&#215;10^18 molecules of Hg.  That&#8217;s 13 followed by 17 zeros.  For the Hg vapor in a CFL bulb to be bellow the 2 ppb it would need to be diffused in ~10^4 or 10,000 moles of air.  At sea level one mole of air takes up about 25 Liters.  So we need 250,000 Liters.  Or about 1/4 a cubic decameter (10m x 10m x 10m, or 1000m^3, a 1500 sq. ft. home would have a volume of about 139m3).  So, if you are anywhere near a CFL bulb and the time it breaks, you are almost certainly being over-exposed to Hg.  Not to mention if you are the one doing the breaking you&#8217;re being exposed to this mercury possibly on your skin, and in a volume less than 1m^3.  </p>
<p>So, given the choice between having a coal burning plant add some Hg to the atmosphere or water and have it diluted down to &#8220;safe&#8221; standards or have the coal burning plant release less Hg and risk a high concentration dose of Hg in my home, I choose the former.</p>
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		<title>By: Nacho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nacho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So your point is the mercury isn&#039;t anything to worry about? As if 125x less mercury than a mercury thermometer (who actually buys those anymore?) is ok? This combined with all the other draw backs (limited wavelength ranges, high up front costs, hassle of clean up if you don&#039;t want mercury in your house), and you really think a large portion of the population is going to be happy about a mandated switch?

Oh, and your last bit is a painfully stupid argument.  I&#039;m not sure people don&#039;t want nuclear power because they are worried about a poorly built ex-soviet nuclear plant going into meltdown.  I&#039;m pretty sure the main reason is because no one knows what to do with the radio active waste (much like the mercury).  However, I actually support nuclear power.  And the difference between the two situations is simple:  1) I can&#039;t tell the difference between nuclear and coal power. I can tell the difference between the two bulbs and don&#039;t like the CFLs color.  2) The waste from a nuclear plant is not generated in my house.  The radio active waste can be disposed of in an underground buncker until we finally decide to shoot it at the sun or something (not like there will be a lot of it anyway, sense nuclear power is so effecient).  However, the toxic mercury is in my house.  And I don&#039;t really need my pregnant wife breaking a bulb one day.

Now, I don&#039;t know about you, but I&#039;m tired of the government making choices for me.  This is a FREE country, and I want it to remain as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So your point is the mercury isn&#8217;t anything to worry about? As if 125x less mercury than a mercury thermometer (who actually buys those anymore?) is ok? This combined with all the other draw backs (limited wavelength ranges, high up front costs, hassle of clean up if you don&#8217;t want mercury in your house), and you really think a large portion of the population is going to be happy about a mandated switch?</p>
<p>Oh, and your last bit is a painfully stupid argument.  I&#8217;m not sure people don&#8217;t want nuclear power because they are worried about a poorly built ex-soviet nuclear plant going into meltdown.  I&#8217;m pretty sure the main reason is because no one knows what to do with the radio active waste (much like the mercury).  However, I actually support nuclear power.  And the difference between the two situations is simple:  1) I can&#8217;t tell the difference between nuclear and coal power. I can tell the difference between the two bulbs and don&#8217;t like the CFLs color.  2) The waste from a nuclear plant is not generated in my house.  The radio active waste can be disposed of in an underground buncker until we finally decide to shoot it at the sun or something (not like there will be a lot of it anyway, sense nuclear power is so effecient).  However, the toxic mercury is in my house.  And I don&#8217;t really need my pregnant wife breaking a bulb one day.</p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t know about you, but I&#8217;m tired of the government making choices for me.  This is a FREE country, and I want it to remain as such.</p>
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		<title>By: JLF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it&#039;s true that CFLs contain a tiny amount of mercury and should be recycled properly (at your local Home Depot, for instance), the coal that&#039;s burned to light our homes also contains mercury that goes up into the air we all breathe and into the groundwater we all drink.  So think of it this way:  Every time someone flips the switch to light an incandescent bulb they&#039;re putting 4 times the mercury into the environment compared to using CFLs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it&#8217;s true that CFLs contain a tiny amount of mercury and should be recycled properly (at your local Home Depot, for instance), the coal that&#8217;s burned to light our homes also contains mercury that goes up into the air we all breathe and into the groundwater we all drink.  So think of it this way:  Every time someone flips the switch to light an incandescent bulb they&#8217;re putting 4 times the mercury into the environment compared to using CFLs.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey in GA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey in GA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mercury content in a traditional mercury thermometer is roughly 125 times the mercury in a typical CFL today. The EPA cleanup recommendations are a little excessive for most situations. Did you a 1 lb box of mothballs dropped in a crawlspace makes the area an EPA hazardous waste site? A couple thousand dollars wouldn&#039;t even get the crews onsite!

Yes, many CFLs are junk, and fail quickly. However, energystar rating requirements include mercury content limits, minimum startup times (1 sec to light, 8 sec to 90% brigthness, if I recall correctly), and life expectancy minimums, as well as the expected efficiency requirements.

CFLs come in several light &quot;temperatures&quot; resulting in reddish to bluish tints (Our high temperature (bluish) floodlight makes it seem almost like moonlight in our yard.), so the color issue shouldn&#039;t be a big one. Additionally, some CFLs work with dimming, although you have to look a bit to find them.

I do not in any way support the move to ban incandescents any more than a move to require airbags for everyone, especially the 5&#039;-1&quot; woman who couldn&#039;t have hers removed professionally even when pregnant and having already had a fetus killed by an airbag. 

However, the mercury issue is a bit overblown, and the use of references to obsolete and poorly built CFLs to damage the performance image of CFLs overall is the same method presently being used to discredit the construction of nuclear plants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mercury content in a traditional mercury thermometer is roughly 125 times the mercury in a typical CFL today. The EPA cleanup recommendations are a little excessive for most situations. Did you a 1 lb box of mothballs dropped in a crawlspace makes the area an EPA hazardous waste site? A couple thousand dollars wouldn&#8217;t even get the crews onsite!</p>
<p>Yes, many CFLs are junk, and fail quickly. However, energystar rating requirements include mercury content limits, minimum startup times (1 sec to light, 8 sec to 90% brigthness, if I recall correctly), and life expectancy minimums, as well as the expected efficiency requirements.</p>
<p>CFLs come in several light &#8220;temperatures&#8221; resulting in reddish to bluish tints (Our high temperature (bluish) floodlight makes it seem almost like moonlight in our yard.), so the color issue shouldn&#8217;t be a big one. Additionally, some CFLs work with dimming, although you have to look a bit to find them.</p>
<p>I do not in any way support the move to ban incandescents any more than a move to require airbags for everyone, especially the 5&#8242;-1&#8243; woman who couldn&#8217;t have hers removed professionally even when pregnant and having already had a fetus killed by an airbag. </p>
<p>However, the mercury issue is a bit overblown, and the use of references to obsolete and poorly built CFLs to damage the performance image of CFLs overall is the same method presently being used to discredit the construction of nuclear plants.</p>
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		<title>By: 6ftrabbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>6ftrabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is old news.  Obama is just parroting the &quot;Green Line&quot; from a couple years ago.  This business of CFL&#039;s ranks right up there with conserving toilet paper by only using one sheet per visit, and taxing cow farts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is old news.  Obama is just parroting the &#8220;Green Line&#8221; from a couple years ago.  This business of CFL&#8217;s ranks right up there with conserving toilet paper by only using one sheet per visit, and taxing cow farts.</p>
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		<title>By: KP</title>
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		<dc:creator>KP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banning the manufacture of incadescent lightbulbs in this country will only create an underground market for such bulbs imported from other countries.  Meanwhile, I am working on my stockpile of Reveal bulbs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banning the manufacture of incadescent lightbulbs in this country will only create an underground market for such bulbs imported from other countries.  Meanwhile, I am working on my stockpile of Reveal bulbs!</p>
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		<title>By: Jericho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jericho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got some fossils in my barn.  They don&#039;t burn very well.  Oil and natural gas are not fossil fuels.  Sullivan and the DC Micro and Macro tyrants are ignorant or corrupt in perpetuating this nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got some fossils in my barn.  They don&#8217;t burn very well.  Oil and natural gas are not fossil fuels.  Sullivan and the DC Micro and Macro tyrants are ignorant or corrupt in perpetuating this nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Brian. Add another item to the &quot;Ways to Control the Way Americans Live&quot; list. We, like you, have a few CFL&#039;s around our home but I don&#039;t like the way they look either. After I heard Obama speak today, I called my husband and told him we&#039;re going to stock up on incandescents before they are outlawed. I also refuse to follow the rules of disposal. I had a thought earlier. What will Las Vegas do about complying with the new standards? Can you imagine?!! My husband tells me the CFL&#039;s will not &quot;blink&quot; and you cannot adjust the brightness of them. I guess Nevada will have to get a bailout to replace all the bulbs in Las Vegas, huh? Utter nonsense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Brian. Add another item to the &#8220;Ways to Control the Way Americans Live&#8221; list. We, like you, have a few CFL&#8217;s around our home but I don&#8217;t like the way they look either. After I heard Obama speak today, I called my husband and told him we&#8217;re going to stock up on incandescents before they are outlawed. I also refuse to follow the rules of disposal. I had a thought earlier. What will Las Vegas do about complying with the new standards? Can you imagine?!! My husband tells me the CFL&#8217;s will not &#8220;blink&#8221; and you cannot adjust the brightness of them. I guess Nevada will have to get a bailout to replace all the bulbs in Las Vegas, huh? Utter nonsense!</p>
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		<title>By: Bodo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bodo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re kidding, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re kidding, right?</p>
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