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  • December 23, 2008 11:51 AM EST by Brian Sullivan

    If California Goes Broke, Will American Taxpayers Pick Up The Tab?

    Scary story of the day: California may be broke in two months.

    According to the AP:

    California's chief financial officer warned Monday that the state would run out of money in about two months as hopes of a Christmas budget compromise melted into political finger-pointing by the end of the day.   Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger began the day on a cheerful note, suggesting that negotiations with Democratic leaders could lead to a budget deal as early as this week to help close the $42 billion shortfall that is projected through June 2010.Let's repeat that: $42 billion dollar budget shortfall.   That is about 2.5 times the loan just provided to GM and Chrysler.    And one wonders if the outcome - begging for a federal bailout - will be the same as with the automakers.   As much lobbying power as the automakers have, can any group have more lobbying power than the government itself?

    If the Federal government has to step in to help with jobs, payroll and pensions it will be a tall and expensive task.   According to the State Controller's Office, California has 238,816 employees on the payroll.    The monthly payroll disbursement in October was $1.595 billion dollars.   Simple math tells you that the average payroll check = $1.595 billion / 238,816, or about $80,000 per year for each California state employee.    That is the average, indicating many in the state make much more.   And the generous state pensions guarantee much of that income is going to be paid for life.

    The billion dollar question then is: if California does go broke, will the U.S. taxpayer be on the hook for those salaries and pensions?

    Let's hope not, because the burden is substantial.   The Golden State has a leaden problem in payroll, especially as many of the biggest departments in terms of number of workers are those that are related to public costs and tax collection and disbursement.    Tax money being used as payroll for those who figure out how to collect and spend more tax money.   Circuitious at best, frustrating at worst.

    The 11 biggest departments in the State by total number of employees are as follows, listed by number of employees as of October 2008:

    • Transportation (across 12 districts & administration) 20,675
    • Higway Patrol 10,805
    • Motor Vehicles 9,514
    • State Insurance Fund 8,068
    • Employment Agency 7,772
    • Franchise Tax Board 6,484
    • Forestry & Fire Protection 5,750
    • Corrections Administration 5,532
    • Justice 5,222
    • Parks & Recreation 4,730
    • Board of Equalization 3,950

    The oddly-named Board of Equalization is the department that collects sales and use taxes and helps disburses the money.   Taxes propogating more jobs related to taxes.

    By the way, the California Alternative Energy Senior Financial Authority is a department of just one, and the Commission on Aging emplys just three persons, despite that fact that dealing with energy and demographic trends are some of our biggest challenges.

    While I don't have the link embedded, be sure to go to our video page and check out my interview this afternoon with State Controller John Chiang.

    On a side note, here's a marketing tip to the UAW: Instead of complaining that foreign automakers got "unfair" tax breaks by the U.S. southern states to build plants there as the primary response to public anger over the $17.4 billion dollar rescue loan, a better public relations move might be to discuss the pay scales of government employees.   At least the UAW is making cars.

Derek

I think Calafornia doesnt know what desperation is!!Their just going to cry to the Federal Government and they will give them the money. Theres too many rich people in CA and their crying for help!!They need to look themselves in the mirror!!

December 24, 2008 at 11:15 am

Steve Dean

I say not a penny until the remove Proposition 13 and redistribute the property taxes fairly.

December 24, 2008 at 12:08 pm

Larry

California is the victim of its own unnecessary regulatory schemes which they have been trying to export to the rest of the country. They have been major contributors to breaking the auto industry and now they are trying to break the rest of the country. They deserve less consideration than the auto industry for a bailout. Let them declare bankruptcy and restucture their state.

December 24, 2008 at 12:09 pm

JimboCA

@native Virginia -I like your plan a lot. Cutting CA from the union would be a great plan to balance our books. As the state sends more to the fed in taxes than it receives back in funding, the end of this outflow would just about do it, or at least get us closer. The US doesn't need california, it's universities, it's research labs, it's massive ports in longbeach and oakland, et al. you sir or madam win the prize!

December 24, 2008 at 12:42 pm

JimboCA

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22685.html CALIFORNIA Federal taxes vs Federal dollas back (in millions) 2005 289,627 vs 242,023 NET -47,604 Hmm that number is really close to the CA state shortfall of 48 billion

December 24, 2008 at 12:49 pm

Chris

I laugh at this state and the people in it to be honest. Case in point: What kind of dream are you living in when you think it's a "fair deal" to buy a dump of a home for $500,000 or more? I've saw the dumps that some of these shows on tv display when people were "flipping" homes just a short while ago. When I watched them at the time (and now during reruns) I couldn't believe how much people were willing to pay for a rundown shack, built in the 60s, with no yard, a nasty looking neighborhood, and absolutely no square footage in the home itself. The biggest joke out there and throughout this country as a whole is the mystical "cost of living" that is applied to certain locations in this country. Isn't funny how the areas getting crushed right now due to housing (New York, California, Florida) were not so long ago simply assigned the tag "higher cost of living" to justify simply absurd costs of "shacks." Meanwhile, homes in Nebraska and North Dakota (for example) didn't see nearly the insanity in home price increases and look, they aren't asking for the federal government to come and save their fairy tale lifestyles. I think it's high time California faces a reality check. Shocker, I know, but a trailer in Malibu is still a trailer...at no time should you have ever paid $1 million for it!

December 24, 2008 at 1:22 pm

Chris

Correction, "I saw" not "I've saw".

December 24, 2008 at 1:23 pm

Listening in Texas

In case anyone is wondering... California should take a lesson from Texas. Currently, Texas has a 10.7 BILLION SURPLUS for the state BUDGET!! Say what you want... but the big difference seems to be all those Green people in California. Save the planet or save your state.... obviously they cannot do both!! A 42 Billion deficite versus a 10.7 Billion SURPLUS ... calculator not necessary. California has lots of oil just off the shore... green clubs prevent the drilling... solve the problem on your own California... we don't need to support your overspending!! Control it or don't... but don't ask us to bail you out as well... this is YOUR problem ... NOT OUR EMERGENCY... we DON'T want it. Wake up... not all of you are spoiled brat celebraties! Where is their money to pay down that debt? All I hear from them currently about this is SILENCE... isn't it deafining? Texas HAS a SURPLUS... It is NOT YOURS! You did not create it... please don't ask us for it to save YOUR butt! Make some hard decisions and stay within YOUR means. Else, look for ways to create the additional funds that you REQUIRE such as DRILLING... kinda like Texas does. But do something... just don't put your hand out; you have not solved ANY problem and are not DOING anything about it either, except ask us (the rest of the US) to bail YOU out! Teach the people in California to Fish.... don't just hand them a fish.

December 24, 2008 at 2:08 pm

John

I know - how about CA keep the taxes that we pay the Feds. Then they wouldn't have to give us back our own money to bail us out.

December 24, 2008 at 3:25 pm

David

lets see... the republicans deregulate the financial industry, spend like there is no tomorrow, revise bankruptcy laws to screw citizens and hand over $700 billion to the banksters. the democrats create bigger government, bail out everyone, try to socialize all industry, tax (or fees) everyone and everything, are just as corrupt as the republicans, vote for their pay raise while we are in recession. I think they make on average around $150,000/year. The new gilded class in this country....... our beloved elected officials 1. Great pay 2. Great benefits 3. Job security 4. Unbelievable retirements And the best part is it is all payed for by us! It is time for a new revolution in this country, F**K these BAST**DS!

December 24, 2008 at 9:31 pm

Robert Donald

Let California drown in its liberal policy sewage. Let the rest of the states who want to have the same policies take notice that this is where they are headed. Do not bail them out Let them and their lifestyles go down the tubes. and good riddence!!

December 25, 2008 at 9:50 am

monkeyfurball

The Demobolshevik national Congress and President will bail out their fellow liberals I have no doubt. But, I would love to see California triple all their income and sales tax rates. Then let's see them continue to vote Democrat in every election.

December 25, 2008 at 11:11 am

John

I lived in CA. for 34 years and now in Texas for 3. There are a lot of people from CA here in Texas, and most of us moved because of morale and social issues. CA thinks there a progressive state, they better hope the next generation feels the same, because evryone I know still left in CA wants to get the hell out. Good luck Aronld......O how does it feel to know you let in entire State collapse.

December 25, 2008 at 12:37 pm

kay

One question remains in all of this who is helping the "People" our Government is not running this Country The Banks are. http://kay-homeownerhelp.blogspot.com/

December 25, 2008 at 2:29 pm

kay

History Lesson - maybe this will clearup the misunderstanding about who is in charge of this mess. While the Government knows about it ans stood by all these years and allowed it to continue is what got us into this mess in the first palce.http://video.google.com/googleplayer...hockwave-flash

December 25, 2008 at 2:32 pm

Dennis

I moved from California because I could see this train wreck coming,when the state is spending 10 Billion a year on our friends across the border that think they need a home in California and the tax payer to pay for it is one of the problems,the 350 plan for retired fire fighters and corrections workers, local law enforcement that gives 80% of there highest earnings in a year for there retirement after 30 years,is breaking Counties in the state,lets just sum this up by saying, after living 49 years there,and 37 million people now,what a sewer!

December 25, 2008 at 2:53 pm

HotelCAguest

California gets only 70 cents for every dollar we pay to the federal government. YOU FREELOADERS FROM OTHER STATES HAVE NO RIGHT TO CRITICIZE CALIFORNIA. WITHOUT US YOU WOULD BE LIVING IN A THIRD-WORLD BACKWATER. THE ONLY INNOVATION IN NEW YORK IS NEW KINDS OF FRAUD. THE REST OF THE COUNTRY INVENTS NOTHING, DISCOVERS NOTHING, AND JUST SLURPS THE BENEFITS OF FREE TRADE WITH OUR GOLDEN STATE.

December 26, 2008 at 10:37 am

A Texan

California broke. Ah, poetic justice. Let CA slide into the Pacific. I know of no one who will miss it.

December 26, 2008 at 2:53 pm

B Scott

Once California legalizes same sex marriages,the population will disappear in one generation,an empty wasteland ready for a new start.

December 26, 2008 at 6:29 pm

jd

It seems that we don't care. Solutions are needed because we are in it together. If we describe us as Americans only when we glow in our glory or when we are so good to others that are not as good as us, we will never succeed now as we did in the past. Too much of something always destroys the person.

December 26, 2008 at 7:20 pm

Harold Gree

Someone mentioned Mexico and other China. I have a better idea -- give the southern half of the state to Mexico and have China buy the northern half as a LBO.

December 27, 2008 at 6:03 am

Shoals

In the state of New Hampshire, we live with what we have. No sales/income tax. If we don't collect as much, then spending gets cut. Live with what you have. Cut spending!!! You made your bed now change the sheets and live with it.

December 27, 2008 at 10:08 am

BV

Just a picture of how Keynesian economics is destroying our country - one state at a time. I think the government has decided that nationalizing the country is the only option left so expect California to be bailed out.

December 27, 2008 at 11:27 am

J G

It has finally happened, We should call up Mexico and let their President know we are giving California back to them becasue we can't afford to live here any more.

December 27, 2008 at 5:29 pm

Pamela

NOTE TO STATES: Whine early and whine loudly. Bailouts will continue for all groups too big to let fail. When the big crash hits it will hit those hardest who tried to act responsibly.

December 27, 2008 at 8:36 pm

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  • Brian Sullivan joined FOX Business Network (FBN) in April 2008 as an anchor. He co-anchors the 10am-12pm ET hours of the FOX Business block. Prior to joining FBN, Sullivan served as an anchor for Bloomberg Television where he hosted the programs Morning Call and In Focus.

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