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		<title>By: GM and Chrysler Get the Cash but Big Problems Remain at The Brian Sullivan Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>GM and Chrysler Get the Cash but Big Problems Remain at The Brian Sullivan Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] loan requires the automakers to become &#8220;viable&#8221; by the end of March, 2009.    As I wrote last week, &#8220;viability&#8221; in three months is a tall [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] loan requires the automakers to become &#8220;viable&#8221; by the end of March, 2009.    As I wrote last week, &#8220;viability&#8221; in three months is a tall [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Atkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the UAW that is killing the Big 3.  I heard Toyota sold something like 9.3 million cars last year and Ford sold 9.7 million.  Toyota around 15 billion and Ford lost 38 billion.  You cannot pay the benefits and the salaries that the big 3 are paying and compete with those that aren&#039;t. The Democrats owe the unions and the environmentalists so they will nationalize the auto industry to do so.  Everyone is so excited about gas prices being low but the Dems have no intentions of drilling in this country.  They want us all driving ugly two seat cars that you plug in every 40 miles while they drive their big SUVs and fly their jets.  They believe they know best, not.  I want my SUV so start drilling and let the Big 3 file bankruptcy and restructure without the UAW.  Things would turn around in a hurry.  And I don&#039;t have a warm fuzzy knowing a Chicago politian will be taking over next month, doesn’t he owe the UAW after they donated about 360 million toward the elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the UAW that is killing the Big 3.  I heard Toyota sold something like 9.3 million cars last year and Ford sold 9.7 million.  Toyota around 15 billion and Ford lost 38 billion.  You cannot pay the benefits and the salaries that the big 3 are paying and compete with those that aren&#8217;t. The Democrats owe the unions and the environmentalists so they will nationalize the auto industry to do so.  Everyone is so excited about gas prices being low but the Dems have no intentions of drilling in this country.  They want us all driving ugly two seat cars that you plug in every 40 miles while they drive their big SUVs and fly their jets.  They believe they know best, not.  I want my SUV so start drilling and let the Big 3 file bankruptcy and restructure without the UAW.  Things would turn around in a hurry.  And I don&#8217;t have a warm fuzzy knowing a Chicago politian will be taking over next month, doesn’t he owe the UAW after they donated about 360 million toward the elections.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if two of the big three (not counting Ford, they&#039;re not currently poised to take Fed string-attached money) took a tack to become &quot;profitable&quot;, they&#039;d still have to spend time and money to figure out where in their behemoth organizations they could squeeze out waste without violating contract/legal obligations.  Organizations that large do not move fast (if at all), they need multi-year planning and enormous lead time.  Once they decide on an acceptable course of action, it still takes 18 months or so to get over the hump of the main thrust of any action they take, and usually another few months for the shattered pieces to be swept up.

Ford started this planning two years ago, and if the government would simply let the weaker guys (ie, those that played fat dumb and happy for the past three years) fail, Ford would be the big winner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if two of the big three (not counting Ford, they&#8217;re not currently poised to take Fed string-attached money) took a tack to become &#8220;profitable&#8221;, they&#8217;d still have to spend time and money to figure out where in their behemoth organizations they could squeeze out waste without violating contract/legal obligations.  Organizations that large do not move fast (if at all), they need multi-year planning and enormous lead time.  Once they decide on an acceptable course of action, it still takes 18 months or so to get over the hump of the main thrust of any action they take, and usually another few months for the shattered pieces to be swept up.</p>
<p>Ford started this planning two years ago, and if the government would simply let the weaker guys (ie, those that played fat dumb and happy for the past three years) fail, Ford would be the big winner.</p>
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		<title>By: John Heyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Heyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment on Texas&#039;s comment:
You are doing a good job of stating that the economy and government is intricate.   I figure the reason the politicos are being &quot;tough&quot; here is  that the public now knows they have been faking it all along. Imagine us sending someone to Washington on an all expense paid trip with full lifetime health benefits plus whatever they can steal just because they are able to work their way up in local politics and get votes ? 
The journalists have presented the maximum number of words and the lousiest amount of clear thinking because they have a corrupt thesis. They think their &quot;job&quot; is to report the news.  
This guy Brian Sullivan is one of the few who exhibits any brainpower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment on Texas&#8217;s comment:<br />
You are doing a good job of stating that the economy and government is intricate.   I figure the reason the politicos are being &#8220;tough&#8221; here is  that the public now knows they have been faking it all along. Imagine us sending someone to Washington on an all expense paid trip with full lifetime health benefits plus whatever they can steal just because they are able to work their way up in local politics and get votes ?<br />
The journalists have presented the maximum number of words and the lousiest amount of clear thinking because they have a corrupt thesis. They think their &#8220;job&#8221; is to report the news.<br />
This guy Brian Sullivan is one of the few who exhibits any brainpower.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff in Ct.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff in Ct.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I was listening today on XM and I think you were on with Shep discussing the auto bailout. All of your points were spot on, including and most importantly a &quot;consumer bailout&quot;. This is because none of the plans currently involves an increase of new auto sales beyond the projected 11 million (+/-)for 2009, as opposed to a more normal 16 million units. That&#039;s at the root of the &quot;good money after bad&quot; argument, because no one sees a recovery in sales-which, in my opinion is THE key in part to &quot;jump starting&quot; a recovery, or at least bridging the longer (more realistic)period to viability. I believe we can make more effective use of the monies about to be wasted to prop up the manufacturers instead by giving an incentive to consumers to spend more, and clearing out inventories which will keep the production lines moving, and more importantly take the focus off the negative climate onto a positive one covering the sales increase.

I&#039;ve been in the retail management sector of the auto business for 18+ years, so I&#039;ve seen the ups and downs up close, and have a grasp of what works and what doesn&#039;t. Moving iron cures many ills, point blank, and here&#039;s the best way to utilize government funds to stimulate the market. In fact, you should pass it along to the key players for consideration. 

We know that Congress is willing to go along with some form of spending to help out, originally expecting the amount to be about $25B. They just can&#039;t agree on how it should be utilized for best results. Well let&#039;s look at it from a macro sales point of view. As stated above, in recent years about 16 million new cars/light trucks would be retailed. At an average transaction price of $25000/unit, that would total about $400B in gross sales dollars(pardon the loose math). This would mean at a national average sales tax rate of 5%, approximately $20B would be collected by the states in sales tax revenue. If, beginning in January of 2009 for a period of one year, sales tax on new cars were waived to consumers, the federal government could reimburse the states the amount they normally would collect from buyers (up to the $20B). The states would still receive their funds, consumers would respond extremely positively to the notion of not giving money to the government, banks would be in a better position to approve the loans with no sales tax financed in the deal, and the consumers along with the auto companies both get a stimulus package that costs less than the $25B that has been discussed already. Much more bang for for the bailout buck, so to speak. And most importantly, the national focus (media) would be on something other than the doom and gloom so prevalent now. This will work as the best solution on all fronts.

Similar programs already work extremely well in states like Tennessee where they sponsor a tax-free day just before school starts for families to buy anything related to school preparation. Businesses do very well on those days, and it&#039;s the consumers driving the success through more spending.

Give me your thoughts on the viability of a program like this at jeffmays7@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I was listening today on XM and I think you were on with Shep discussing the auto bailout. All of your points were spot on, including and most importantly a &#8220;consumer bailout&#8221;. This is because none of the plans currently involves an increase of new auto sales beyond the projected 11 million (+/-)for 2009, as opposed to a more normal 16 million units. That&#8217;s at the root of the &#8220;good money after bad&#8221; argument, because no one sees a recovery in sales-which, in my opinion is THE key in part to &#8220;jump starting&#8221; a recovery, or at least bridging the longer (more realistic)period to viability. I believe we can make more effective use of the monies about to be wasted to prop up the manufacturers instead by giving an incentive to consumers to spend more, and clearing out inventories which will keep the production lines moving, and more importantly take the focus off the negative climate onto a positive one covering the sales increase.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been in the retail management sector of the auto business for 18+ years, so I&#8217;ve seen the ups and downs up close, and have a grasp of what works and what doesn&#8217;t. Moving iron cures many ills, point blank, and here&#8217;s the best way to utilize government funds to stimulate the market. In fact, you should pass it along to the key players for consideration. </p>
<p>We know that Congress is willing to go along with some form of spending to help out, originally expecting the amount to be about $25B. They just can&#8217;t agree on how it should be utilized for best results. Well let&#8217;s look at it from a macro sales point of view. As stated above, in recent years about 16 million new cars/light trucks would be retailed. At an average transaction price of $25000/unit, that would total about $400B in gross sales dollars(pardon the loose math). This would mean at a national average sales tax rate of 5%, approximately $20B would be collected by the states in sales tax revenue. If, beginning in January of 2009 for a period of one year, sales tax on new cars were waived to consumers, the federal government could reimburse the states the amount they normally would collect from buyers (up to the $20B). The states would still receive their funds, consumers would respond extremely positively to the notion of not giving money to the government, banks would be in a better position to approve the loans with no sales tax financed in the deal, and the consumers along with the auto companies both get a stimulus package that costs less than the $25B that has been discussed already. Much more bang for for the bailout buck, so to speak. And most importantly, the national focus (media) would be on something other than the doom and gloom so prevalent now. This will work as the best solution on all fronts.</p>
<p>Similar programs already work extremely well in states like Tennessee where they sponsor a tax-free day just before school starts for families to buy anything related to school preparation. Businesses do very well on those days, and it&#8217;s the consumers driving the success through more spending.</p>
<p>Give me your thoughts on the viability of a program like this at <a href="mailto:jeffmays7@hotmail.com">jeffmays7@hotmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Comment by KB

I am in the new car business and I guarantee you that they do not have a clue. Few businesses are so regulated by governmental agencies -- from the Consumer Product Safety Commission on up to the IRS. In between we have OSHA, the EPA, EEOC,NHTSA, and all the agencies that regulate lending, financing,etc.  Even the window sticker on a car is regulated. And that doesn&#039;t include the state agencies. But does anyone even have a total picture of what the business model involves -- the answer is a resounding NO! Our dealership foresaw problems back in 2006 and as a result we have been restructuring constantly for two years and have more to do. And it has been tough. But we don&#039;t have enterprise partners who are standing in the way of it with legions of lawyers like GM, Ford, and Chrysler will face. Imagine the UAW, the vendors, the suppliers, the sub-contractors, the lenders, and the shareholders with their lawyers all trying to influence the nuts-and-bolts of a realistic turn-around plan. It is simply not going to happen. And if a plan even makes it to paper, it will be &quot;Obamacized&quot;, that is it will say everything and mean nothing and they will be back at the table for more. I can believe the Administration, Congress, and the Senate all can fool themselves to believing something can be done. After all -- most are lawyers and are good at persuasion including persuading themselves something is what it is not. Prepare to open your wallets permanently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Comment by KB</p>
<p>I am in the new car business and I guarantee you that they do not have a clue. Few businesses are so regulated by governmental agencies &#8212; from the Consumer Product Safety Commission on up to the IRS. In between we have OSHA, the EPA, EEOC,NHTSA, and all the agencies that regulate lending, financing,etc.  Even the window sticker on a car is regulated. And that doesn&#8217;t include the state agencies. But does anyone even have a total picture of what the business model involves &#8212; the answer is a resounding NO! Our dealership foresaw problems back in 2006 and as a result we have been restructuring constantly for two years and have more to do. And it has been tough. But we don&#8217;t have enterprise partners who are standing in the way of it with legions of lawyers like GM, Ford, and Chrysler will face. Imagine the UAW, the vendors, the suppliers, the sub-contractors, the lenders, and the shareholders with their lawyers all trying to influence the nuts-and-bolts of a realistic turn-around plan. It is simply not going to happen. And if a plan even makes it to paper, it will be &#8220;Obamacized&#8221;, that is it will say everything and mean nothing and they will be back at the table for more. I can believe the Administration, Congress, and the Senate all can fool themselves to believing something can be done. After all &#8212; most are lawyers and are good at persuasion including persuading themselves something is what it is not. Prepare to open your wallets permanently.</p>
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		<title>By: A Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course they&#039;re pandering.  The gov&#039;t is pandering to a public that is being fear mongered again.

Gov&#039;t exists in permanent crisis mode now.  That&#039;s the only way it can get away with stealing from the taxpayers in the name of saving them from a worse calamity.

What so many don&#039;t want to accept is the fact that gov&#039;t stealing causes greater calamities down the road.  Keynes tried to justify gov&#039;t stealing, called it investment.  I just hope at some point we&#039;ll all point out that the emperor has no clothes and tell gov&#039;t to stop spending, give it back to the citizens, let us take care of business and our neighbor.  We&#039;ll do it.  And we&#039;ll do it better and more effectively than the gov&#039;t could ever hope to do.  Alas, though, I&#039;m a realist.  I don&#039;t expect the general populace to point out the naked emperor in my lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they&#8217;re pandering.  The gov&#8217;t is pandering to a public that is being fear mongered again.</p>
<p>Gov&#8217;t exists in permanent crisis mode now.  That&#8217;s the only way it can get away with stealing from the taxpayers in the name of saving them from a worse calamity.</p>
<p>What so many don&#8217;t want to accept is the fact that gov&#8217;t stealing causes greater calamities down the road.  Keynes tried to justify gov&#8217;t stealing, called it investment.  I just hope at some point we&#8217;ll all point out that the emperor has no clothes and tell gov&#8217;t to stop spending, give it back to the citizens, let us take care of business and our neighbor.  We&#8217;ll do it.  And we&#8217;ll do it better and more effectively than the gov&#8217;t could ever hope to do.  Alas, though, I&#8217;m a realist.  I don&#8217;t expect the general populace to point out the naked emperor in my lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: A D F</title>
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		<dc:creator>A D F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>congress just does not get, it&#039;s not the big three&#039;s fault that this economy is very bad right now,they&#039;re giving the automakers all kinds of concessions for the 15 billion dollar [LOAN] not a bailout. do they realize the severerty of what would become of AMERICA if these companies fail. they gave wall street 700 BILLION no questions asked,do they realize how many jobs would be lost, who&#039;s gonna pay taxes in america if these are lost. in Arlington&#039;TX they estimate it too be around 350 million dollars per year. The Republicans who are in congress just dont get it thats why they suffered massive losses in the election this year,I truly believe they only want two classes of people in this country the RICH and POOR. how do they know what their constituent&#039;s want george bush and the republican party are responsible for this country&#039;s demise!!!! And the November 4 2008 election should let you know that people have had ENOUGH!!! You all should give up your salaries because none of you deserve a penny!!! It will be a sad day for all if the big three fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>congress just does not get, it&#8217;s not the big three&#8217;s fault that this economy is very bad right now,they&#8217;re giving the automakers all kinds of concessions for the 15 billion dollar [LOAN] not a bailout. do they realize the severerty of what would become of AMERICA if these companies fail. they gave wall street 700 BILLION no questions asked,do they realize how many jobs would be lost, who&#8217;s gonna pay taxes in america if these are lost. in Arlington&#8217;TX they estimate it too be around 350 million dollars per year. The Republicans who are in congress just dont get it thats why they suffered massive losses in the election this year,I truly believe they only want two classes of people in this country the RICH and POOR. how do they know what their constituent&#8217;s want george bush and the republican party are responsible for this country&#8217;s demise!!!! And the November 4 2008 election should let you know that people have had ENOUGH!!! You all should give up your salaries because none of you deserve a penny!!! It will be a sad day for all if the big three fail.</p>
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		<title>By: cbjames</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian is the ONLY one making any sense. It does not matter what the gov or car companies do; does not matter what costs they cut; if now one is buying cars it isn&#039;t going to work. Yet no one is looking at this angle. We&#039;re pouring the money in a hole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian is the ONLY one making any sense. It does not matter what the gov or car companies do; does not matter what costs they cut; if now one is buying cars it isn&#8217;t going to work. Yet no one is looking at this angle. We&#8217;re pouring the money in a hole.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Beabout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Beabout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conversion to natural gas would work.  How you say, well a considerable number of homes already use the stuff to heat, get hot water, and cook.  So, why not fuel the daily driver as well.

The distribution system is already in place (for some) and installation of the appropriate system in homes would not be that difficult nor would converting most gasoline powered cars.  Now, how do we pay for it.  Simple, federal grant to individual owners through their respective natural gas suppliers.

Besides natural gas is here and not over there.  It&#039;s cheaper to use and not as polluting as gasoline. As a side benefit your gasoline powered vehicle will run cleaner maybe resulting in longer life an less maintenance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conversion to natural gas would work.  How you say, well a considerable number of homes already use the stuff to heat, get hot water, and cook.  So, why not fuel the daily driver as well.</p>
<p>The distribution system is already in place (for some) and installation of the appropriate system in homes would not be that difficult nor would converting most gasoline powered cars.  Now, how do we pay for it.  Simple, federal grant to individual owners through their respective natural gas suppliers.</p>
<p>Besides natural gas is here and not over there.  It&#8217;s cheaper to use and not as polluting as gasoline. As a side benefit your gasoline powered vehicle will run cleaner maybe resulting in longer life an less maintenance.</p>
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