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		<title>By: william myslak</title>
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		<dc:creator>william myslak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question by William;

Subject: 96/Olsmobile/CIERA/wagon;  milage 58k  condition excellent. dealer serviced only.  With the depletion of stock parts and dealers must draw from other distributors , how long can I expect to keep my Olds on the road?  My size 14 tire are limited, and I would hate to try to find body parts.</description>
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<p>Subject: 96/Olsmobile/CIERA/wagon;  milage 58k  condition excellent. dealer serviced only.  With the depletion of stock parts and dealers must draw from other distributors , how long can I expect to keep my Olds on the road?  My size 14 tire are limited, and I would hate to try to find body parts.</p>
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		<title>By: Cobra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cobra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the big 3 go away vehicle pricing will be very interesting.  The transplant automakers here in the U.S.  have a capacity of about 5,000,000 vehicles annually.  So with a U.S. market for 10,000,000 units there will be some interesting vehicle pricing changes.  Toyota vehicles are sold for about a 25% premium in countries other than the U.S., they are less expensive here because there is competition.  No worries, the needed extra vehicles can be produced in Japan and Korea, I guess we can do without those jobs anyway.  

The big government building contract jobs that are planned will require commercial trucks and vehicles that are made here in the U.S. by Ford and GM.  None of the Japanese manufacturers have a heavy duty 3/4 or 1 ton truck capable of heavy hauling.  And of course, unless all of the big government building contracts will be in metro areas, good luck getting truck service.

You might think it would be funny, justifiable, great, etc. to see the big 3 go under, but I promise that you will not like it.  It will affect you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the big 3 go away vehicle pricing will be very interesting.  The transplant automakers here in the U.S.  have a capacity of about 5,000,000 vehicles annually.  So with a U.S. market for 10,000,000 units there will be some interesting vehicle pricing changes.  Toyota vehicles are sold for about a 25% premium in countries other than the U.S., they are less expensive here because there is competition.  No worries, the needed extra vehicles can be produced in Japan and Korea, I guess we can do without those jobs anyway.  </p>
<p>The big government building contract jobs that are planned will require commercial trucks and vehicles that are made here in the U.S. by Ford and GM.  None of the Japanese manufacturers have a heavy duty 3/4 or 1 ton truck capable of heavy hauling.  And of course, unless all of the big government building contracts will be in metro areas, good luck getting truck service.</p>
<p>You might think it would be funny, justifiable, great, etc. to see the big 3 go under, but I promise that you will not like it.  It will affect you.</p>
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		<title>By: Cruzship</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cruzship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, let them go under. I&#039;m sure they when the next world war comes up, we can get Toyota to make us tanks and planes and ship them here. Oh yea, and all those people that make parts for the automakers, they can all support their families flippin burgers, right? Why should we subsidize our car makers when the Japanese, Koreans, and Germans all do it regularly! Why, that would only level the playing field, and we cant have that now, can we? If they all made more fuel efficient cars all this time, they would not be in this mess, right? The fact that the biigest sellers for Toyota till recently were their nine SUV and truck models means that they must have tought that was what would sell, just like GM and the rest.I guess that maybe they all were just selling what we asked for after all. We all woke up one morning and decided to go &quot;green&quot;, why cant the 3 largest manufacturing companies in America just turn their whole business model around in one day, like our heads did? 
Dorks, your all dorks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let them go under. I&#8217;m sure they when the next world war comes up, we can get Toyota to make us tanks and planes and ship them here. Oh yea, and all those people that make parts for the automakers, they can all support their families flippin burgers, right? Why should we subsidize our car makers when the Japanese, Koreans, and Germans all do it regularly! Why, that would only level the playing field, and we cant have that now, can we? If they all made more fuel efficient cars all this time, they would not be in this mess, right? The fact that the biigest sellers for Toyota till recently were their nine SUV and truck models means that they must have tought that was what would sell, just like GM and the rest.I guess that maybe they all were just selling what we asked for after all. We all woke up one morning and decided to go &#8220;green&#8221;, why cant the 3 largest manufacturing companies in America just turn their whole business model around in one day, like our heads did?<br />
Dorks, your all dorks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ConcernedCitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConcernedCitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for odd comment sake - hey, don&#039;t let me stop myself !

Seeing the cars put together on the assembly line always leaves me with an empty feeling - because we&#039;re so programmed to derive self esteem from the finished product.

So, it&#039;s bizarre to look at the frame and think - THAT is a Caddy.

Also, you get to see the somewhat &#039;for show&#039; or &#039;phony&#039; side too - you&#039;ll see workers slapping on HUGE plastic pieces.

Now, you know, once you HAVE that car ? it&#039;s no longer JUST that piece of plastic that gets dented, or scratched,  all of a sudden ? It&#039;s as if ones self esteem is scarred if the car is damaged.

My prior landlord went out everyday to polish his caddy ( heh, I think he leased it too  - hmm - leased self esteem, hmm ).  I often thought, uh oh, if some mere happen chance event in the physics of the universe causes the car to get scratched or dented ? or damaged ?  THERE GOES HIS SELF ESTEEM WITH IT.

so, let&#039;s think about this.

the auto sector - like the diamond cartel - has us marketed to death that our self esteem is to be derived from the car, and our true feelings are to be represented with the diamond.

NOW, if the CAR is base for self esteem in American culture ?

Can we deduce the car COMPANY ? ought to be too ? 

If so, AND that GM, Ford and Chrysler are facing demise ? 

I&#039;d say that&#039;s about the same as if my prior landlord&#039;s Caddy got in a fender bender and he wasn&#039;t insured.

Remember, AIG is treading water.

Point here - which I stumbled across 1/2 way into this is...

If the auto makers fail,  this will be a black eye to the self esteem of the nation state.  If there can be such a thing.  Morale perhaps ? 

THIS was ALWAYS the downside of deriving self-esteem from a CAR !

that the car MAKERS go under ? I guess everyone will have to find a new means to derive self esteem !

Okay okay, I don&#039;t support deriving self esteem Western style - that is - from things OUTSIDE oneself, shiny objects, BMW&#039;s etc.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m not immune to the marketing, but I AM trying to be objective on things.

Perhaps if American&#039;s derive self esteem from their cars ? 

America has derived it&#039;s self esteem as a nation state through the entire auto industry.

Nothing wrong with cars in my book - just reduce emissions (INCLUDING CO2) to zero and I&#039;ll support it.

Deep black space ? you bet Gravity is our #1 force to tackle. Then climate.  THEN with proper climate, we can have air that&#039;s not liquid at 450 below.

Oil is what needs to go.

Not the auto makers.

Hmm - odd I ended up with that - but I think I can agree with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for odd comment sake &#8211; hey, don&#8217;t let me stop myself !</p>
<p>Seeing the cars put together on the assembly line always leaves me with an empty feeling &#8211; because we&#8217;re so programmed to derive self esteem from the finished product.</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s bizarre to look at the frame and think &#8211; THAT is a Caddy.</p>
<p>Also, you get to see the somewhat &#8216;for show&#8217; or &#8216;phony&#8217; side too &#8211; you&#8217;ll see workers slapping on HUGE plastic pieces.</p>
<p>Now, you know, once you HAVE that car ? it&#8217;s no longer JUST that piece of plastic that gets dented, or scratched,  all of a sudden ? It&#8217;s as if ones self esteem is scarred if the car is damaged.</p>
<p>My prior landlord went out everyday to polish his caddy ( heh, I think he leased it too  &#8211; hmm &#8211; leased self esteem, hmm ).  I often thought, uh oh, if some mere happen chance event in the physics of the universe causes the car to get scratched or dented ? or damaged ?  THERE GOES HIS SELF ESTEEM WITH IT.</p>
<p>so, let&#8217;s think about this.</p>
<p>the auto sector &#8211; like the diamond cartel &#8211; has us marketed to death that our self esteem is to be derived from the car, and our true feelings are to be represented with the diamond.</p>
<p>NOW, if the CAR is base for self esteem in American culture ?</p>
<p>Can we deduce the car COMPANY ? ought to be too ? </p>
<p>If so, AND that GM, Ford and Chrysler are facing demise ? </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s about the same as if my prior landlord&#8217;s Caddy got in a fender bender and he wasn&#8217;t insured.</p>
<p>Remember, AIG is treading water.</p>
<p>Point here &#8211; which I stumbled across 1/2 way into this is&#8230;</p>
<p>If the auto makers fail,  this will be a black eye to the self esteem of the nation state.  If there can be such a thing.  Morale perhaps ? </p>
<p>THIS was ALWAYS the downside of deriving self-esteem from a CAR !</p>
<p>that the car MAKERS go under ? I guess everyone will have to find a new means to derive self esteem !</p>
<p>Okay okay, I don&#8217;t support deriving self esteem Western style &#8211; that is &#8211; from things OUTSIDE oneself, shiny objects, BMW&#8217;s etc.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m not immune to the marketing, but I AM trying to be objective on things.</p>
<p>Perhaps if American&#8217;s derive self esteem from their cars ? </p>
<p>America has derived it&#8217;s self esteem as a nation state through the entire auto industry.</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with cars in my book &#8211; just reduce emissions (INCLUDING CO2) to zero and I&#8217;ll support it.</p>
<p>Deep black space ? you bet Gravity is our #1 force to tackle. Then climate.  THEN with proper climate, we can have air that&#8217;s not liquid at 450 below.</p>
<p>Oil is what needs to go.</p>
<p>Not the auto makers.</p>
<p>Hmm &#8211; odd I ended up with that &#8211; but I think I can agree with that.</p>
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		<title>By: ConcernedCitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConcernedCitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re a decent guy Brian, a bit on the upper class side possibly out of touch with poverty- but I give you an A, no doubt funny, and smart - Funny without smart is never good, you make things work there on FBN.

Consider this though, in asking what if the car company dies.

Remember the gas prices ?  the $2.99 cards ? from GM ? and Ford ?

They CLEARLY bought oil futures - and to offer gas at $2.99 ? 

They probably paid out the nose.

so those losses are sitting there right ? 

So, here is the question - what happens to my $2.99 GAS card if my car company goes down.

Point here is no one WANTS $2.99 gas right now, but the car companies were foolish enough to GUARANTEE it for 3 years, that means they MUST have jacked up oil futures in part to do themselves in.

I really do believe Lehman went down on oil futures volatility.

I agree with Muriel Siebert the commodities are NOT gambling tables.   They were originally designed to set the REAL price. 

Rampant abuse BY the companies who got so involved into oil futures as if it  was some magic money making machine.... ALL got burned, and to date ? 

I WAGER a LOT of the bailout is because these corp&#039;s jeopardized themselves on oil greed towards profits from the oil futures.

with oil below 50 ? 

My god -  GM and Ford have to be losing their shirts.

I didn&#039;t see anyone today in congress bring up how much of the loans they want will go  to pay for their gambling losses.

That is the unspoken truth going on here too-  people GAMBLED on oil futures...

and they lost.

We&#039;re NOT the Saudi&#039;s - 

What&#039;s real funny ? 

The Saudi&#039;s play currency futures.

Bottom line though Brian

WHOLE LOTTA money lost on oil futures.

Oil shouldn&#039;t even BE in our future - 

That we had LEADED gasoline is just unimaginable.

What&#039;s the NEXT leaded gas discovery ? Mercury if you ask me.

I hope you gain time to explore this regarding the oil futures hedges GM and Ford MUST HAVE MADE to offer gas at the low low price of $2.99

That should be publicized so some of congress can get wind to make SURE - the car companies can&#039;t spend a DIME of the loans on ANY oil futures losses.

I WAGER the ceo&#039;s would say &#039;but but - that&#039;s part of our losses that caused this !&#039;

I wager.

Very much enjoy the humor - keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a decent guy Brian, a bit on the upper class side possibly out of touch with poverty- but I give you an A, no doubt funny, and smart &#8211; Funny without smart is never good, you make things work there on FBN.</p>
<p>Consider this though, in asking what if the car company dies.</p>
<p>Remember the gas prices ?  the $2.99 cards ? from GM ? and Ford ?</p>
<p>They CLEARLY bought oil futures &#8211; and to offer gas at $2.99 ? </p>
<p>They probably paid out the nose.</p>
<p>so those losses are sitting there right ? </p>
<p>So, here is the question &#8211; what happens to my $2.99 GAS card if my car company goes down.</p>
<p>Point here is no one WANTS $2.99 gas right now, but the car companies were foolish enough to GUARANTEE it for 3 years, that means they MUST have jacked up oil futures in part to do themselves in.</p>
<p>I really do believe Lehman went down on oil futures volatility.</p>
<p>I agree with Muriel Siebert the commodities are NOT gambling tables.   They were originally designed to set the REAL price. </p>
<p>Rampant abuse BY the companies who got so involved into oil futures as if it  was some magic money making machine&#8230;. ALL got burned, and to date ? </p>
<p>I WAGER a LOT of the bailout is because these corp&#8217;s jeopardized themselves on oil greed towards profits from the oil futures.</p>
<p>with oil below 50 ? </p>
<p>My god &#8211;  GM and Ford have to be losing their shirts.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see anyone today in congress bring up how much of the loans they want will go  to pay for their gambling losses.</p>
<p>That is the unspoken truth going on here too-  people GAMBLED on oil futures&#8230;</p>
<p>and they lost.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re NOT the Saudi&#8217;s &#8211; </p>
<p>What&#8217;s real funny ? </p>
<p>The Saudi&#8217;s play currency futures.</p>
<p>Bottom line though Brian</p>
<p>WHOLE LOTTA money lost on oil futures.</p>
<p>Oil shouldn&#8217;t even BE in our future &#8211; </p>
<p>That we had LEADED gasoline is just unimaginable.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the NEXT leaded gas discovery ? Mercury if you ask me.</p>
<p>I hope you gain time to explore this regarding the oil futures hedges GM and Ford MUST HAVE MADE to offer gas at the low low price of $2.99</p>
<p>That should be publicized so some of congress can get wind to make SURE &#8211; the car companies can&#8217;t spend a DIME of the loans on ANY oil futures losses.</p>
<p>I WAGER the ceo&#8217;s would say &#8216;but but &#8211; that&#8217;s part of our losses that caused this !&#8217;</p>
<p>I wager.</p>
<p>Very much enjoy the humor &#8211; keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suggestion - buy two for the price of one and use one for spare parts...</description>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be pay back time for the big three. They ran many car mkers out of business and now its their turn to feel some pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be pay back time for the big three. They ran many car mkers out of business and now its their turn to feel some pain.</p>
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		<title>By: ConcernedCitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConcernedCitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LARGEST CORP in the world Brian - EXXON

second - Petro China.

Do the math  on who is sitting in the White House.

Now, if ONLY the Bushes has a history in oil to back up my points.

hmmmmm


Doesn&#039;t really matter to punish them, we have a climate crisis on our hands, our kids do.

ALL thanks to 60% of oil pumped goes to BURNING GAS.

Maybe we should get all the oil company execs and play the game of &quot;See who can stand closest to the exhaust if your product is all that healthy&quot;.

In fact ? if you FORCED an oil exec to suck on an exhaust pipe ?

You know they&#039;d sue.

Isn&#039;t that strange ? 

And yet - it&#039;s SAFE ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LARGEST CORP in the world Brian &#8211; EXXON</p>
<p>second &#8211; Petro China.</p>
<p>Do the math  on who is sitting in the White House.</p>
<p>Now, if ONLY the Bushes has a history in oil to back up my points.</p>
<p>hmmmmm</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t really matter to punish them, we have a climate crisis on our hands, our kids do.</p>
<p>ALL thanks to 60% of oil pumped goes to BURNING GAS.</p>
<p>Maybe we should get all the oil company execs and play the game of &#8220;See who can stand closest to the exhaust if your product is all that healthy&#8221;.</p>
<p>In fact ? if you FORCED an oil exec to suck on an exhaust pipe ?</p>
<p>You know they&#8217;d sue.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that strange ? </p>
<p>And yet &#8211; it&#8217;s SAFE ?</p>
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		<title>By: ConcernedCitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConcernedCitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is the VERY US presence in the middle east trying to exploit their oil resources for the last decades that brought 9.11

Those people are mad as all hell

and they are justified too.

USA has NO business drilling in Iraq.

NONE.

And for all people to say - let&#039;s drill locally- HA

Exxon, Sunoco, Conoco, BP - they ALL went on line 3 months ago in Iraq since Saddam canned it.

Hmm-  think THAAAAAAYAT might be the REAL reason to go to Iraq.

You bet.

Oil is destroying our lives Brian.

The people who ONLY see profits and desire to be the Clamped&#039;s in Beverley Hills are the REAL criminals - and I think GITMO is appropriate  for the oil cartel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the VERY US presence in the middle east trying to exploit their oil resources for the last decades that brought 9.11</p>
<p>Those people are mad as all hell</p>
<p>and they are justified too.</p>
<p>USA has NO business drilling in Iraq.</p>
<p>NONE.</p>
<p>And for all people to say &#8211; let&#8217;s drill locally- HA</p>
<p>Exxon, Sunoco, Conoco, BP &#8211; they ALL went on line 3 months ago in Iraq since Saddam canned it.</p>
<p>Hmm-  think THAAAAAAYAT might be the REAL reason to go to Iraq.</p>
<p>You bet.</p>
<p>Oil is destroying our lives Brian.</p>
<p>The people who ONLY see profits and desire to be the Clamped&#8217;s in Beverley Hills are the REAL criminals &#8211; and I think GITMO is appropriate  for the oil cartel.</p>
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		<title>By: ConcernedCitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConcernedCitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The car sector has possibly cost our children&#039;s FUTURE health.

Coal more so, but 60% of all oil goes to gas.

THAT has helped SEAL the deal -  was it worth it ? 

we traded GAS to combat GRAVITY - all the while forfeiting CLIMATE ? 

was it worth it ?

I don&#039;t think so.

Amazing how all the car companies offer up their plans to go electric all of a sudden as if that&#039;s some kind of Wonka golden ticket to the Treasury candy factory.

they were in bed with the oil cartel for FIFTY YEARS...

and now ? WE are expected to pay for their incompetence ? 

should have moved all oil when we moved off the gold standard.

Instead, we got the Bushes -  TWENTY OF TWENTY EIGHT YEARS in the white house - no matter how you look at it - BUSHES.

OIL OIL and OIL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The car sector has possibly cost our children&#8217;s FUTURE health.</p>
<p>Coal more so, but 60% of all oil goes to gas.</p>
<p>THAT has helped SEAL the deal &#8211;  was it worth it ? </p>
<p>we traded GAS to combat GRAVITY &#8211; all the while forfeiting CLIMATE ? </p>
<p>was it worth it ?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Amazing how all the car companies offer up their plans to go electric all of a sudden as if that&#8217;s some kind of Wonka golden ticket to the Treasury candy factory.</p>
<p>they were in bed with the oil cartel for FIFTY YEARS&#8230;</p>
<p>and now ? WE are expected to pay for their incompetence ? </p>
<p>should have moved all oil when we moved off the gold standard.</p>
<p>Instead, we got the Bushes &#8211;  TWENTY OF TWENTY EIGHT YEARS in the white house &#8211; no matter how you look at it &#8211; BUSHES.</p>
<p>OIL OIL and OIL.</p>
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