Fill Your Drink While the Ta(r)p is Still Open

I have never read such moronic stupidity spewed in my life did you read the news Blizzard in South Dakota. Please tell me after this winter about global warming. I hope you fools are the first to freeze to death in your new green world. Did any of you realize that fossil fuel means that at some time all that CO2 was in the atmosphere friggin morons.

To all those who think it was the greedy CEOs who caused this financial crisis, you need to think rationally through what you are saying. If what you say is true, greedy CEOs exist everywhere, and as such we should be going from one crisis to the next constantly. Greedy bread makers would cause a bread crisis, greedy clothing makers would cause a clothing crisis, greedy paper mills would cause a paper crisis. I could go on, but you get the point. So what did happen, beause something sure did. It is quite simple. The "greedy" banker CEOs for years resisted making risky loans, because they didn't want to lose money. They were accused ironically of being greedy racist capitalist pigs by certain politicians. So the gov't along with the Fed coercively changed some tried and true lending rules, and told bankers to ease lending standards. The politicians told the Federal Reserve Bank to keep interest rates low and open the easy money credit valves, which they did. We were going to make it affordable for everyone to own a home. As the bankers started making risky loans, Fannie and Freddie bought them up. Trying to limit the amount of risk in the loans, they were bundled in huge groups, chopped up, and sold to investors, pension funds, etc. Prices began rising for real estate, and other commodities too, like oil, gold, corn, soybeans, etc. Too much money chasing too few goods. With the credit faucets open and prices climbing, people started making speculative real estate purchases, and many other non-real estate speculative purchases. Creative loans were created to offer even more people loans they couldn't afford. Eventually, prices rose to a point where homes were no longer affordable with the creative financing. That would've been fine except that people couldn't afford the homes they bought. Once the homeowners couldn't make the payments, defaults occurred, real estate prices fell, and all the investors that bought the loans were ought huge sums of money. The system started going through a painful self correction. Not having made the mess big enough though, the gov't decided it didn't like the painful self correction. It cooked up a scheme to throw more money at it, your money of course. The real culprit is gov't intrusion into the market place. The more the gov't intrudes, the more it has to create exotic rules to run the corrupt system it creates. The more rules it creates, the more it stifles real economic progress, and as a result more people try to get around the rules. Eventually if enough rules/laws are passed we'll all be criminals. For example, how many of you sold an item on ebay and didn't report the income on your income taxes. You're a rule breaker. Or how many of you ordered an item off the internet from out of state, had it shipped to your house, and didn't pay use tax on it. It generally comes to you sales tax free (unless the retailer has a presence in your home state), BUT almost all states have a rule that if you purchase an item from over state lines, and don't pay sales tax on it, you will pay use tax on it when it is transported into your home state. There is a form to fill out and you send it in to the state along with your payment. If you didn't do this, you're a rule breaker. So don't get all self-righteous concerning the greedy CEOs, when the real culprit is gov't intrusion.

To ConcernedVoter, You are absolutely correct, that "people hyperventilate over all sorts of supposed problems." I believe people begin to hyperventilate because they lack knowledge that they should've learned in school, rational thought, logic, understanding. For all the panic over carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, you'd think they didn't understand that there is something called the carbon cycle that exists, so do other natural cycles, such as the water cycle, nitrogen cycle. Earth's atmosphere in the past at times has had quite a bit more carbon dioxide in it than currently. Furthermore, it has also been hotter and colder than it is now. Climate fluctuates all the time. But it does so slowly over hundreds and sometimes thousands of years. We'll have plenty of time to adapt to climate changes, whether they are manmade or not, matters very little. Even current projections by the doom and gloom merchants are saying over 100 years, a 1 degree change. Well let's all get panicky and jump out of buildings, the sky is falling. We've had so many environmental scares it surprises me anybody listens to it at all. First we had a new ice age (we'll freeze to death), then acid rain (it'll melt your face off), the ozone layer will disappear (we'll all be irradiated), and now it's global warming (we'll all die of heat stroke). Oh, don't forget about Y2K. It wasn't environmental, but it was scare mongering at its finest. Planes will crash out of the air, major cities water supplies will be shutdown, banks will lose all your money, and on and on it went. I wish I could come up with what's next, I'd lobby the government and make a boat load of money. Here, I'll try to come up with the next crisis. The earth's magnetic field is going to reverse polarity. And until the field finishes its reversal, for a 6 month long period of time, it will allow deadly cosmic radiation to reach the earth's surface and sterilize all biological life. Life on earth will end. We need to develop a new magnetic shield, with gov't funding of course, to operate until the magnetic field's polarity finishes its reversal. The power consumption requirements will be enormous, but it will only have to operate for 6 months. I'm going to need $40 trillion over the next 10 years to get my project done. That's only 10% of the world's annual output. We'll call it the "Save Our Planet Tax." Yes, it's worth it! After all, we're talking about protecting all life on the planet. Are you laughing, I hope so.

To ICouldBeWrongHere, Yes, you are wrong. Your writing style, along with the propensity to spout nonsense, helps us to identify you as JeezeLiz in ICouldBeWrongHere clothing. You keep giving us more irrational nonsense that appears to be indicative of derangement. ICouldBeWrongHere quote: "I’m in the WRONG forum" You got that right. Conspiracy nuts belong somewhere else. It's time for you to take a sound economics course. Concerning energy companies in Iraq, yes of course some of the world's major oil companies are there. These oil companies have quite a bit of expertise in locating, drilling, and transporting oil. And there IS oil in Iraq. Where else would you expect them to be? They'd be in Iran if the Iranian gov't didn't have such a penchant for kidnapping, torturing, or killing people from western civilization. If foreign gov'ts wouldn't harass them, they'd be in every place on the globe they can economically drill for oil. And this would mean....yes, that's right more oil for all of us (humanity as a whole, not just the U.S.) at lower prices. Oh but you say, we'll run out and then humanity will starve/die in terrible ways. Nonsense. Oil production doesn't work like that. As oil fields are harvested, they are eventually depleted, or more acurately depleted to a point where oil may still be there, but it isn't economical with current technology to get. But this occurs over a considerable period of time. Not here today, gone tomorrow. In other words, there would be a slowing of world production. As oil production slows, prices would slowly rise, until it became economically viable to use an alternative fuel source. This is going to be off in the future. Those alive today, will probably not see it, or they will be fairly old. And as technology progresses, the alternatives will become less and less expensive. In any event, we want other countries to modernize, use oil, build a successful capital society. This will allow for greater division of labor. Geniuses occur in populations of people throughout the world. However, if many of the extremely intelligent people are working to simply grow enough food for tomorrow, they don't have the time to specialize in a field of study to truly benefit all of humanity. Now on that same spectrum, there are numerous other individuals who would be highly motivated and smart (not genius level), that would also contribute to breakthoughs in science, medicine, business. Which would you rather have, 1 scientist working on a problem, or 100 scientists working on a problem?

quote: "If you can’t sit in a garage with a car running and not expect to die, how long is it before you gain the intellectual capacity to start to do gas volume evaluation on the planet’s atmosphere - or at least the part we depend on… to say ?" -> If you sit in a tightly closed room and just breathe, you will also eventually suffocate and die! Please hold your breath, so that you don't pollute the planet's atmosphere. The world is an immense recycling center.. all of those awful hydrocarbons were created by the decomposition of plants over millions of years. Many of them naturally come to the surface and evaporate or decompose. People hyperventilate over all sorts of supposed problems. Oil spills, for instance, are treated as terrible disasters, but crude oil actually biodegrades pretty rapidly. A few years after the Valdez oil spill, the only areas that showed any eco-damage were the areas where well-meaning eco types Steam-Cleaned the rocks and pebble beaches. Those areas were sterilized and lifeless for years, while the areas left with oil naturally biodegraded and flourished again within a year.

quote: " ...killed in a blind carpet bombing attack called Shock and Awe ?" Anyone who watched the attack on Baghdad knows that there was NOTHING blind or random about the attack. Video showed time after time: cruise missiles and laser-guided weapons hitting precision targets, within feet their targets. There was NO "carpet bombing" of Baghdad, or anyplace else in Iraq.

Somebody call the old folks' home! Jeezeliz is off his meds and just wandered off the premises again. Jeez, Jeezliz, take a breath! And get over all that Green Freak Environment Worship already, would ya? You greens are all liars and total idiots, as one can see from your having to rename "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" after it became obvious the planet's actually been cooling this past decade. Since any change in the climate whatsoever is "Climate Change" of course, that means you're basically trying to outlaw changes in the weather now. While you're at it, why don't you just try making laws forbidding the sun from rising in the morning? That'll sure stop all that Global-- I mean, Climate Change! Incidentally, those eeevil oil companies you bash for supposedly being big cronies with Bush actually gave most of their money to your boy 0; they know which side is REALLY buttering their bread with all that regulatory crap: the same one that brought us Barney Frank and his assurances that everything was fine and Fannie and Freddie didn't need any closer investigation into their affairs. Also, the neurological pollution that comes from having idiot greens like you in our kids' classrooms is far worse than anything coal-mining and oil-drilling combined could ever begin to do to them. When all your pipe dreams about "clean" new sources of energy to replace the old come to naught (as they inevitably will, having done so before), and you're sitting alone in the silent dark while rolling blackouts plague the whole country, I do hope you'll remember all your false predictions here. Looking back from what fools like you are planning to do to us, I think we'll all be seeing George W. Bush's time in office as a golden age compared to what followed it. See you in the breadlines, Jeezliz!

Damn, I'm in the WRONG forum augh! This isn't Liz MacDonald's blog ! my mistake

Bottom line, Exxon, and the bunch are online in Iraq. Their oil minister DID have problems on who is Hunt oil. I think all in all - mission accomplished. Myself ? I'm counting on people having something to look forward to but if people don't have their health ? potential ? to look forward to ? nothing else matters. period.

JeezeLiz, Must you spam these boards with such nonsense. Have you been collecting and saving your posts on other forums then pasting them here? It sure looks like it. By the way, if you don't like economic progress, we could go back to burning wood to keep our homes warm, cook, and produce energy, which would release even more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. We'd also use a lot of trees. The air would be less breathable. I don't have time to refute all of these inane points, but I will refute the energy, nuclear nonsense. The attack on nuclear safety is one of hyperventilating fear mongering. Take a physics course dealing with nuclear power and you'll understand. I'll summarize. Uranium exists naturally in our environment as 238-isotope (99.3%). It has an extremely long-half life, meaning it is not all that radioactive. To create a sustaining nuclear burn reaction (one used to release a non-exploding energy), uranium has to be enriched from its .7% 235-isotope to 3% 235 isotope. Correspondingly, weapons grade uranium has to be enriched to 90% 235-isotope. Spent nuclear fuel rods primarily go back to 238-isotope and are generally less radioactive than naturally occurring uranium, due to the nature of the fission reaction. The remaining 235-isotope can be safely recycled back into creating more energy, France has been doing this for years. In short, spent fuel rods are handled with gloves. It's not some super duper dangerous commodity. Yucca mountain is opposed simply for power/control reasons and because the general public has been fear mongered. The old Soviet reactor melt-down occurred and was dangerous because they were using it to covertly make weapons grade material. 3% 235-isotope will no more explode than a jar of petroleum jelly (vaseline) in a medicine cabinet will. Its because of the concentrations of the active items 235-isotope in uranium, and petroleum in vaseline. All of a person's lifetime energy requirements in our modern society, would leave nuclear "waste" material that would fit in the size of a pop can. Eventually, with enough scientific progress, no doubt we'll find ways to properly recycle all that material as well and reuse it until it becomes completely inert. Or we'll stop performing nuclear fission reactions in favor of fusion reactions which have a potential energy supply that could last into the billions of years.

Good lord JeezeLiz,please consider taking your medication.

I've been a volunteer with a consumer organization for several years, and as a result of a construction defect case, learned quite a bit about the building industry. IMO they were instrumental as were other housing and finance industries in CREATING an artificial bubble. No one in these industries, or the govt that should've been reacting to mortgage fraud, securities fraud, etc, can honestly claim ignorance. If the takedown of the U.S. economy were orchestrated by individuals with no political connections or lobbying money, they'd be in JAIL. Many in these industries and perhaps some in govt too should be investigated and charged. Instead, what little has happened seems limited to HUD fining some of them peanuts and letting them off "without admitting wrong doing." Ditto for the SEC. It was not consumers, who were fooled and at times defrauded, who caused this, though many certainly fell for it; it was the industry with the complicit blind eye of the govt. If the govt was quicker to act when consumers were reporting mortgage fraud, we would not be in this mess. Why was the govt so quick to act to bail out crooked greedy CEO's? Because they were connected, that's why. We need to sever this connection or things will never change.

If Ken Yale - typo - I'll keep Ken Laye was close personal friend of the bushes and this guy's - Thomas Hardy here Liz - CHARACTER was to LOOT his employees ? Maybe you'll understand my nick before EnronNation I ask - NOT how we said - by association, you're guilty - but - I ask - if Bush was 'down' with Kenny boy ? why should I not expect from Bush what Laye did to Enron ? only to the entire US economy IRA's retirement accounts, pensions and you know what ? i'm 100% right it has happened.

And really without the Liz MacDonald's in the world, the journalists - researchers - thinkers - ALL that can bring the best from our species ? These 'macro' crimes - or exploits I think go unchecked. Life can be just great I think. I think communities can best benefit when the members DO take interest in preserving the community. I see that here at least. My TAKE on things is - last 40 years, we've had severe pressure from the oil cartel - such that it's not 'priced in' but 'marketed in' - we don't even second guess the self esteem boost from a - Bob Barker tone here - A new car ! ok - all I know is I found myself thinking - wait a second, this is a CAR, amazing how it's well -really ? same as a diamond. marketed to us. Cars are great - don't get me wrong. Electric - no doubt - beats pressure driven - but currently electric pulls from power grid which pulls from coal too. So, step in the right direction. Next step is to get coal off the power grid. to the people who say - oh some nutcase liberal global warming freak ? I say - sorry, I'm merely interested in wind patterns, mercury, and childrens- and really ? all of our neurological health. Rule #1 You do NOT EVER RISK putting mercury into a childs system because it made someone a QUICK buck or a buck over a century old means to derive energy resources. We've been had - but I think it's more than people realize. Money loss is one thing. Once you are diagnosed with stage III lung cancer - never smoked - AND let's say it could be shown you spent most of your life in a petro exhaust exposure - let's just accept that if you get too close to a car exhaust ? with petro ? you will die. SO, money one thing economy crashes - FINE Ain't NOTHIN' when you find out - not only did you sell out your own health ? your children will literally breath, eat, mercury - Lead from china thanks to paralysis on imports and EPA - ok, FDA's approval of Melamine in the US was well - whaaaaaaaaaaaayat ? should be your thought. Nothing matters if we screw over the kids folks. put your greed belly aside, and think with your mind. Hey, I'm not happy I grew up with SOME leaded gasoline. What we know now ? about Enron ? er, Lead I mean ?

This is the oil cartel though. Remember, two largest corporations on this planet in deep black COLD space -requiring thermal energy (and mass cooling as of late - those pesky recurring record temps)... are Both oil. That said, I'd say if the two TOP corporations are petro ? top profits ? gee- and MOST people WANTING to move on ? yet - puzzled why ? Bush denied Chrysler their MEASILY 10 billion in aid request on Sunday ? SAying "We want to make sure you'll be putting more fuel efficient cars out" No, that was a way of saying: "we want to make sure you will be building cars that use petro" how long will we be had here ? Driving today? I thought to myself, - you know ? someone's purse is stolen - lights flashing, investigations - but 125 billion - easily cut into convenient 25 billion packages ? just 'signed in' through the normal tactics - fear fear fear -do it or else you'll pay ? Gee seems if you make the theft BIG enough ? people just won't even be able to comprehend it.

forgot to finish the though, go back though and ask myself. Why were they closed door ? When energy policy is really about all of our health potential - shouldn't that be #1 priority ? to have an open door policy on energy ? We KNOW NOW about Enron, we know NOW about TXU, Enron and TXU were the TWO top users of the Bush campaign jet in 2000 btw. Why ? who knows. Closed door, or '40,000 foot club' ? We KNOW about the gauging from Enron and TXU - TXU just paid the fine. isn't it CLEAR ? isn't it Ockams Razor here ? Isn't the simplest answer ? the best candidate ? We've just lived through the energy sector owning the white house. IF you look at the mortage mess ? resulting from - maybe Bush let Alan just go on with his 'theory' that failed, but - it DID lead to the fed acquisition of financial entities, which ARE now ? shopping for energy corporations awe gee

I think after the financial sector consumes itself like uroborus the snake eating it's own tail ? I think the banks will THEN move on to back energy projects. After all that's the top dependency we have. No energy, no civilization, no heat, no nothing. Maybe I should go back to when Cheney ran his first 'closed doors' energy policy meetings - with - hmm - before Enron fell - Enron, Exxon, Exelon, what EEEEEEZ it with corporations that start with E.

Fix energy policy- and I'd support a new trickle down theory. In part because I learn more and more continuance to use certain energy resources will surely be our demise. If you can't sit in a garage with a car running and not expect to die, how long is it before you gain the intellectual capacity to start to do gas volume evaluation on the planet's atmosphere - or at least the part we depend on... to say ? wow - this wasn't such a hot idea for the last hundred years Leeeeeeeroy (I use Leeeeeroy as a hillbilly side kick here, all respect now to unknown kin)

ALL in all ? I think if humanity moves away from the masochistic drive- which may or may not inherit from religion, I mean, I turn on the religious station, often replacing the name Jesus with my own for a short false boost on self-esteem - but a LOT of it is 'I would suffer for you' 'I would hurt myself so bad with a baseball bat for you' ? ? ? I say - a religious fundamentalist is a religious fundamentalist - martyr ? Christiany - Islam - they're out there - this bizarro masochistic drive to say - let me show you how good I can take it, or - how good I can abuse myself to earn your respect' as a message to God. MAYBE the 'addiction to oil' is really ? a grand masochistic extension out of religion ? ok - that's far fetched. Energy is terrific, abundant - and everywhere- I think so long as human civilization seeks SAFE energy resources ? it has a future any other path ? might as well just sell off now.

So, keep your eye on who holds energy - all else is subsidiary. ALMOST - a game. just to keep us busy while those energy profits just come in. I have ZERO doubt - after reading Sec. Treasury Paul O'Neil's comment he saw a document on Bush's desk BEFORE 9.11 that said US Corporate candidates for Iraqi oil fields. I have ZERO doubt ALL of the use of military, Blackwater should be a give away - instead of hiring more mercenaries? Oil cartel said - we'll just buy the damn seat at the White House. I have ZERO doubt the US military was outsourced to protect the fields that JUST went online last month - Exxon, Sunoco, Conoco, BP. I'd watch BP - Oil cartel wants Iran - because it gives access to what the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline pulls from. BP owns 28% of the output of the BTC line - Halliburton just conveniently is in the business of layin' pipe. a new BTC is going to come from this. FUNNY thing is ? Mean ole Global Warming showed up and rained mercury on the parade. No, wait, that's not it. Mean ole global warming showed up and put a DENT in the ole gas powered auto profit model. I am TRULY woken up after seeing just how effective the Diamond Cartel is in actually driving people to derive self esteem from a diamond - the AUTO SECTOR ? Liz, I do a F'load of research myself - just because I like to find out more, inquiring minds want to know more ! but - I look back ask myself HOW Kuwait, ok ok , A Kuwaiti - was the #3 owner of Daimler-Chrysler. This world has been shaped by petro and those HUGE profits from it- Exxon and Petro China are the TWO world's LARGEST corporations. Maybe I should have just said that instead of trying to make my point.

ZOOM out - ALL that makes our civilization move is energy. energy resources. right now ? petro and coal - nuclear ? i'll actually take nuclear right now over petro OR coal - and that says something. I ran NAD - until I changed the acronym - Nuclear Awareness Day it well- became NDAD anyway- DOE ? you do NOT want to know how it can't even find a home for spent rods from the 70's. By rail ? too dangerous even to Yucca, which has been canned. By air - even watching congress go off on c-span 15 years ago - everyone eventually thinks they have the solution - send the nuclear waste to the sun ! well - good argument is - crash and fallout - and end of story - wrong choice nuclear - should have listened to your intuition and never used it. BUT - NOt that Larry Craig IS Mr. nuclear these days- AND he also GREASED ANWR through congress faster than lightening ? Hmm- all of a sudden there ? all my books on etymology that bring up 'Greased Lightninig' as a term from the 1800's with no known origin ? I DO SAY - Craig brings that to surface. But zoom out It's ALL about energy and who holds those reigns ALL the rest ? Forget Trickle down economics that theory MUST have been put forth by someone who did NOT zoom out and realize no, energy runs ALL you don't have it - you DIE in threatening climates. It's that simple. Funny thing is ? TXU ? All that 'Lectricity' they're brewin' from the coal ? funny thing is - thanks to the coal ? the power NOW needs to be spent on AIR CONDITIONING to keep those above 65 alive.

Liz, MOST of the markets ? mean jack compared to - let's start at my theory that in deep black space, say - default negative 450 F. ? energy is all we got baby. So, that said. People in the northeast use oil to heat, natural gas all over... Coal - sure - some places, but we've already spread what we've spread from coal. In fact, not that anyone will read this, and I don't even know if Liz MacDonald actually reads any of these insights - but - I'd say ? JUST as got the lead out and moved to unleaded gasoline ? AND let's not forget that uncovering of ice in Greenland with high levels of lead - LATER to be discovered - wow - it was air carried up from north america. So, THAT lead is spewed EVERYWHERE in our lifetime here Liz, and anyone else reading ? I grew up in the 70's so, I suppose I recall the lead somewhat... but - I really think we've potentially done ourselves in with mercury and with Bush out of Texas ? and TXU ? FEW people know Bush's Houston under his LAST energy policy before taking- seat in the White House left houston the #1 most polluted city in the US. In fact? the EPA ? before bush dismantled it ? actually FINED the city of Houston DAILY - and they just paid the fine. TXU - was the largest corporate merger in the US years back. Way I see it is - energy - and whoever runs energy sector has all the beans. If petro - hey - JUST like that TV show Diamond Road where they show the DIamond Cartel and how small it is, and how effective it was in 'place her self esteem in a rock' ? ?? ? ?????? ? ? what an insult. I'm not even a woman but what an insult - J.C. Penney - This year ? Give her what she really wants ... a diamond. my god. Well - Diamond cartel CERTAINLY is effective at getting everyone shammed on sparkling rocks - just imagine - just imagine how the petro cartel can keep you believing that if your Sean Hannity, you DESERVE to invest your self esteem in a BLACK SUV CADDY !

If quick move from coal and petro isn't #1 priority ? and it's NOT nationalism this crisis we have has to bring us PAST nationalism. Oddly the people who want this originally had more financial gain in mind. but as Abraham Lincoln says - Two things bring people together - while I forget one of them- ONE WAS common threat or natural disaster. I'd say if you could have a HOME Hitachi gas plasma spectrometer unit ? and how many people do, let alone can work one - but - if you SAW that you BREATHE mercury ? would you ask ? was it worth it to power my LCD screen so I could go click on a Google AdSense ad ? to create phony bloat on their stock ? the power off the grid - LIKELY has a good share of Coal powering that LCD. or CRT EPA says we just don't KNOW on CRT's but - prolly should use a LCD ? yikes - who would have though Feb. 18th to encourage people to move to LCD - sure they can go digital on the box - ALL I see is good people ? and then sociopaths who want to exploit the good people. That's about it. Liz MacDonald is one of the good people, PLENTY of people are. I don't know HOW in good conscience ? the Bush Admin's paralyzed FDA ? after hearing that Europe banned Melamine 100% - ZERO tolerance ? could say "ah, what the heck, if we ban it, there will be legal backlash to cost hundreds of billions" Anyone who ate any food product FROM China could probably sue the US manu. So, I imagine US agriculture lobbyists made SURE US said ok on melamine. I find it an outrage. I mean, let's put the mercury that spews UP the east coast in the US from TXU's stacks that bush GRANDFATHERED before he left governor or Texas- to allow continued mercury emission, why ? the grandfathered stacks don't HAVE to be upgraded. Let's put that aside. and JUST focus on the melamine. oh wait, maybe let's go back to lead and kids toys. no, I'll fish upstream - petro 100 years- it's NOT to be tolerated anymore for the kids lungs. why ? why would we continue to do something we KNOW endangers the kids ? why ? America is addicted to oil ? give me a BREAK Bush and co. friggin made SURE that's ALL American's GET Addicted to oil ? try ignorance. not intending for publishing here - just seeking catharsis through monologue rant ! Somehow it IS energy though that should be expected to be the #1 asset on the planet face it - we're in DEEP BLACK SPACE - NO ANCHOR it gets COLD energy - if you don't have it in your climate to combat the climate? you're dead. the real interesting thing is - some people who have a petro racket going seem to be more interested in the money made- forgetting that if the citizens DIE from pulmonary health issues and CANCER - that the money won't really be valued by anyone to collectively give it meaning now - will it ? Crime is that which is disadvantageous to ones community. Took me a while to arrive at that. Anyone who threatens our health ? is a criminal. Petro and Coal should be ZERO tolerance, not Melamine allowed in the US.

Forgot to note: I draw parallel from Bohm's observation that nationalism is fragmentary ? I stopped and thought about it ? Is not a 'bomb' the most fragmentary system ? Same thing - nationalism and bombs - no wonder they sleep together too. I just am not sure about what the kids will look like. Prolly more McCain military makes right ! forget unity in the species damn it - ba ba ba bomb iran ? my god who ARE these people. Iranian political official I saw in the news ? had a faked Oxford degree ? ZERO QUESTION - he's GONE OUTTA there and Stevens in Alaska ? convicted of SEVEN felonies and he's still goin' back in because of a loophole they got his appeal in which says- so long as the appeal begins, you can serve as senator. I tell ya, people who watch TV deserve accepting whatever they're shoveled. Tricky Liz, you do belong working with people - as you make life better for all I think... So, you bring a real value to TV, but TV can ALSO be used to advertise - even the SHOWS - even the NETWORKS sometimes ARE the ad.

Blowing things up is never a solution, no matter how it's justified. David Bohm - points out that nationalism is fragmentary - it's not a collective model with any atomicity when all parts combined. We've seen humanity reach for this atomicity - League of Human Nations, United Nations, IMF, WB, ITO which never took off in the 50's following bretton I, the International Trade Organization. All we got instead of the ITO was the World Trade Organization. You know ? All in all ? World Trade center had to come down symbolically to usher in what was originally to BE the ITO - I wager the people that want transition in who holds the power - and we all know who that is- the desertly hillbillies who American's have been handing over cash to as 25% of their oil dependency, of COURSE, so that US oil companies could cash in on that too.... HOW it was done - I don't agree with. that the WTC came down through street bomb tactics ? using a jet airliner ? it's the very same thinking system as shock and awe ALSO the very same thinking system that begets nationalism. so, of COURSE you'll have BOMBS with nation states - they're BOTH the same thinking system - FRAGMENTARY. David Bohm gives a good analogy, if you tear up a photograph ? you've got fragments. If you shatter a hologram ? Each piece hold the image of the original image, uniquely distorted. That's a neat concept to hold onto. It also helps one understand where nationalism is the photograph, torn to pieces. It DOES fragment our species. It's no surprise nuclear weapons come about - ironically ? They will encourage us to move PAST nationalism. What the think tank lackees of the Bush admin FAILED to ever mention to anyone ? was that if you remove the nation state ? the 'target' ? terrorism no longer exists, no target ? no event. I do believe we've ALL been sold a line of crap - while the people at the top take measures to move us over to a planned out system. I really do believe Bush and Paulson are trying to break the US economy so - hopefully before jan. 1 - he can go "WEll, it all just didn't work out, BUT we have new system- the Uno !" ugh!