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  • October 23, 2008 02:50 PM EDT by Brian Sullivan

    Question for You

    Thanks for all the comments on previous posts.   Now I have a question for you...

    I was speaking with an economist today and we were debating this question: at what tax rate do hard working Americans either give up or simply refuse to work any harder knowing that the prospect of more pay - but more hours - will bring higher taxes with it?

    If you are trying to get ahead at work, get a promotion and make more money ... but know that it will also come with longer hours and more time away from home ... how much would taxes have to be all-in (federal, social security/medicare), state, local and property) for you to say "no thanks" to the higher pay?

    I'm guessing on average most of you on average probably pay a marginal tax rate around 35% or so right now.

    So what's the "I give up" point: 40%?  50%   Higher?

    Let me know using the "comments" section.

    Unscientific I know but trying to figure out at what point economic motivation ends.

GW

I'll keep going as long as I can. I hide or defer from taxes as much of my income as I legally can now. But if Congress tries to cut into my 401K or pension fund, that may be the last straw. The real question is how far can the Government, at all levels, go before they destroy the country.

October 23, 2008 at 3:56 pm

The J

Taxes will increase on people over $250K but revenue collected will stay flat or go down thanks to tax strategies, wont be long until they decide over $150K is rich so they can make up the revenue. Not the first time its happened.

October 23, 2008 at 3:54 pm

The J

I dont think there is a give up point, but there is a point when it becomes a focus. I would rather defer income or pay more for a god tax accountant then pay the government. There is a lot you can do regarding legal tax avoidance strategies. at 35%, sure, Ill pay the tax. 45% its getting a little high, time to investigate more aggresive strategies. 50% - game over Ill pay as little as legally possible even if it costs twice as much in accountant cost - at lease he earned the money.

October 23, 2008 at 3:48 pm

Rick

I don't see a promotion or pay raise headed my way should B.O. get anointed (be lucky to just hold on to my job as it is), so it's a moot point. I do, however, see my self supplementing my taxable income with cash, "tax free" income.

October 23, 2008 at 3:41 pm

TimBarton

Considering your list of taxes federal, social security/medicare, state, local and property most Americans are already closer to 50%. Don't forget to add sales tax too. I personally monitor my income and as the higher brackets approach try to make sure that the years income increases above the higher bracket by enough to net me more dollars. If I can't exceed the bracket by enough I will slow down my work schedule and defer income into the next tax year. Back to your question, 50% will make me not work as hard.

October 23, 2008 at 3:35 pm

ws1835

BTW, I believe Mr. Laffer has a curve that answers the question.......

October 23, 2008 at 3:32 pm

ws1835

What is my 'break point'? It is the point at which I am no longer working mostly for me, and rather am working mostly for someone else. From my point of view, the fruit of my labor should be mine. Sounds simple, but somehow our elected representatives and their legion of dependents have ignored this concept for years. In this case, it would be a 50% net rate on each additional dollar of gain. Admittedly, I would not be likely to go backwards even if (and when) rates are jacked up. However, I am certainly NOT going to put forth any effort to make more if I keep less than half of the increase. That would seem to be the very definition of a "diminishing return".

October 23, 2008 at 3:30 pm

Scott Bourne

I think I am there already :)

October 23, 2008 at 3:23 pm

Eric from FL

As soon as I feel like I am paying to watch others not work. It is getting close.

October 23, 2008 at 3:21 pm

bill

I don't give up! I simply refuse to give it to the feds to redistribute any longer.

October 23, 2008 at 3:13 pm

bill

It does not matter the rate, after the current bailout spending bill I am going into the underground economy and the feds will get no more of my hard earned money.

October 23, 2008 at 3:12 pm

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  • Brian Sullivan joined FOX Business Network (FBN) in April 2008 as an anchor. He co-anchors the 10am-12pm ET hours of the FOX Business block. Prior to joining FBN, Sullivan served as an anchor for Bloomberg Television where he hosted the programs Morning Call and In Focus.

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