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  • October 21, 2008 04:11 PM EDT by Brian Sullivan

    Obama's Tax Cut for the Rich (and Red)

    Barack Obama says he wants to cut taxes for the "middle class" and raise them on "rich" families making more than $250,000 per year.

    The problem is that under his plan, in many instances there will actually be a wealth transfer from the middle class to the "rich." The reason: the definition of "rich" depends in large part on where you live.

    Obama's plan is to provide a tax credit (remember it's not really a cut, it's really a credit that you receive when you file your taxes) for those making less than $250,000 per year. It also helps to own a home. The tax calculator on Obama's website says that a family making $100,000-$150,000 per year with two children and a $300,000 mortgage debt on their home will save $1,800 per year. Those families making more than $250,000 with two kids and an $800,000 balance on their mortgage will "probably not get a tax cut under the Obama-Biden plan."

    You say, fine. Tax the "rich" family making $275,000 per year more. But this begs the question of who in this scenario is actually "rich." Much depends on where you live.

    Let's break it down, using a traditional "red" state, "blue" state comparison of Kansas and Massachusetts.

    Financial planners suggest you should not buy a home that is more than 3x your gross income. Assuming that model, lets say a two-paycheck family making $125,000 in Kansas City, Kansas decides to buy a home for $375,000. What can you get for $375,000 in K.C.? Below is a listing I found on realtor.com of a home outside of Kansas City listed for $390,000. 5 bedrooms, 3.5 baths and new construction. Pretty nice place.

    Then there is the family in the Boston area with two incomes and making $275,000 per year. $275,000 sounds rich to the family making "only" $125,000 in Kansas. But take a look at the home the family in the Boston area can afford that is also roughly 3x their income. Below is what they find listed at $870,000.

    Not a bad house. Nice neighborhood, but its much smaller (3 bedrooms vs. 5 in KC) and more than 1,000 sq ft less in size.

    But let's call it equal anyway. So on a housing basis, the family making $125,000 per year in Kansas City is living about the same as the family in Boston making $275,000. But yet the family in "tax-achusetts" is also paying higher state and property taxes, higher insurance rates and probably just about higher everything else.

    So tell the family living in Boston with those housing and tax costs that they are rich. You might get a few choice words. But that's exactly what the Obama plan is doing; telling families who consider themselves "middle class" in their area that they are "rich" and then giving tax breaks to families with a similar manner elsewhere.

    Under the Obama-Biden tax plan, the family in K.C. will receive $1,800 per year in additional tax credits. They also pay a top level of 28% on their Federal income tax and received a $1,200 stimulus check this summer. So assuming all remains the same, the Kansas family will receive an extra $8,400 over four years (4x $1,800 + $1,200 stimulus).

    The Boston-area family will not only receive no tax credit under the Obama-Biden plan. They also face a much higher tax bill as their already-higher top level goes from 35% to 39%. And, of course, they received no stimulus check.

    So a few things:

    1. If the family in Massachusetts can afford the same size house as the family in Kansas City, why is one "rich" and the other "middle class?"

    2. If the quality of life in both places is the same at different income levels, why does one get a tax break and stimulus check while the other pays more and gets nothing in return?

    3. Giving more to those truly in need is one thing, but the guy in Massachusetts should be livid that some of the money from the tax hikes he faces will be given to those living in a larger home.

    In fact, given that the median income of a Kansas household is around $65,000 per year, it's likely that the Kansas family in the 5 bedroom, new construction home that they can afford will be considered by many in that area to be "rich," or at least well off. I'm not sure the Boston family would be considered wealthy. But yet they are the ones who will be sending more of their tax money into lower-cost and traditionally Republicans states.

    The solution to this contradiction is for politicians to stop defining "rich" by an absolute number and more on a cost-of-living basis. What's "rich" in one area is "middle class" in another.

    A few other takeaways:

    • More strapped families in traditionally "blue" states will recognize they are being hosed under this plan merely because of where they live.
    • The tax increase on them will result in the continued migration to traditionally "red" - and low tax - states such as Kansas, Texas and Tennessee as families in the "blue" - and expensive - coastal states finally give up and move out.
    • The financially failing "blue" states such as California, New Jersey and Massachusetts will face deeper and deeper fiscal crises.

    I'm willing to bet that even the most die-hard Democrat family in these pricey blue states has a limit on how much they are willing to give to the government , especially when it's clear many tax breaks are going to people with a higher quality of life.

    If politicians are going to break people into classes, they should make sure the classes reflect the reality of the situation. There is a big difference between Warren Buffett and the two-worker family making $300,000 in Boston.

James Hankins

This argument might have traction with those who live in high cost-of-living areas, but it's a non-starter for the rest of us out here in the hinterlands. I can point out for starters that tax rates in high tax jurisdictions aren't forced on them by the rest of us, as a matter of fact, they are subsidized by the rest of the country through deductibility in the federal tax code. I think there is little danger of mass migration from the northeast or Califonia or Hawaii into the Midwest. Those who live in New York or Boston will tell you how superior their cultural landscape is to the rest of the country. They may be right. California and Hawaii enjoy wuch better weather than most of us. These things have value to those who live there. And to those who live elsewhere. Witness the numbers of people who flock to these places on vacation. How many people long to spend time in Kansas, anytime of the year (no offense meant to Kansans). If we index income taxes for these areas for cost-of-living, we might also have to impute a certain amount of "hedonic income" to those who live there. I don't expect that many people from Washington D.C., New York, San Francisco, or Honolulu will be moving to the Dakotas soon (again, no offense to Dakotans of either stripe). from Mesa, Arizona

October 21, 2008 at 10:56 pm

monkeyfurball

Excellent article. I'm sure the blue state wealthy agree totally with you, but they are out voted every election by the lower wage earners. Same thing happens in my state of Minnesota. I suppose since its nearly impossible to create a cost of living set of tax rates for each city in the US the next best answer would be to raise that $250,000 number to, say, $750,000 or something around there. But...if the Democrats and Obama did this then, of course, there would not be enough new revenue to "spread the wealth" to the 38 million tax filers who pay no income tax anyway. We all know, or should know, that the democrat's claim to "reduce taxes on the middle class" is just another election year lie or at best a large exaggeration to get votes.

October 21, 2008 at 10:14 pm

JP Thorn

After November 4th, if we have a Democratic House, Senate and White House taxes will be the least of our problems.

October 21, 2008 at 10:11 pm

GaryP

Before you get all teary eyed for the Boston family having to pay $1800 more in taxes every year, remember that the absolute dollars they will earn in appreciation on their house over the long haul is substantially more. If real-estate appreciates at an average of 3% a year in both markets, the Boston couple's net worth will increase $15,000 more than the KC couples EVERY YEAR. In 30 years the Boston couple could sell their home, move to KC, pay cash for the house next door to the KC couple, and still have 1.2 million left over. And that's if you assume real estate values in the two areas will appreciate at the same rate. Chances are that the Boston couple will see a higher rate of appreciation over the long haul than the Kansas City couple. But hey, if $1800 a year is that big a deal to you feel free to leave either coast and come to the midwest. We have plenty of room for you!

October 21, 2008 at 7:07 pm

Tim Ferm

Brian, You are absolutely right. If this country votes for higher taxes, we will get what we deserve. Citizens should be up in arms about this and telling all their neighbors and friends. Obamalovers are a lost cause. When someone puts ideology above truth, it will take an act of God to help steer them back.

October 21, 2008 at 6:48 pm

James Cain

Any economic concept Barrack Obama proposes demonstrates his lack of education and experience in financial matters. Why should anybody expect a person with an education in law, a part time job as a state Senator, and an uncompleted first term as a U.S. Senator to understand complex economic issues? What's worse is how can so many people believe he can? People say they wish they were younger. I was 70 three weeks ago and I'm damn glad I it wasn't 40.

October 21, 2008 at 6:40 pm

DON WELSH

THE OBAMA TAX PLAN WILL RESULT IN A NEW SYSTEM OF THE PREVIOUSLY FAILED "WELFARE STATE". "SPREADING THE WEALTH" WITHOUT REGARD TO REGIONAL COST OF LIVING IS BAD POLICY AND WILL SIMPLY LEAD TO A NEW FORM OF INEQUITY WITHIN OUR TAX CODE. WE NEED TO WAKE UP AND DEMAND THAT OUR REPRESENTATIVES REDUCE THE SIZE AND COST OF GOVERNMENT AND PAY DOWN OUR NATIONAL DEBT. WE SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD THE GOVERNMENT WE HAVE BUILT. IF YOU AGREE,PLEASE TELL TEN PEOPLE.PLEASE REMEMBER TO VOTE "EARLY AND OFTEN".

October 21, 2008 at 6:22 pm

Elliott Stegin

Extreamly well written. Most can't argue but will find a way to put holes in it. It seems you have given a lesson in economics 101....or is that really politics 101? Too bad people just don't understand due diligence. I have said all along this is always about class warfare. Not suprising that the poor vote democratic because let's face it, they are living hand to mouth in the countries biggest cities with the most delegates (thats another story you should write) and it's "seems" compelling when one is poor and someone wants to give you everything you need in exchange for a vote. Of course all this does is promote being lazy and complacent and all at the expense of hard working and risk taking and job providing citizens/small business owners like myself. Classic case of biting the hand that feeds them. It still comes down to interpretation of classes combined with demographics.

October 21, 2008 at 6:13 pm

Kevin

I fail to see the “incentive to hire fewer workers” by an increase of small business owners income taxes from 33% to 36%. A small business would of course rather have the lower tax rate, we all would. But I don’t believe it reasonable to say a small business owner who grosses say a million per year and nets $200,000 views the tax increase as an incentive to hire fewer workers. I’m a CPA, and I know business owners try to maximize profits. A business will hire a worker who will produce a pretax profit through his production. A business owner does not decide that he used to make about $30,000 profit by hiring another electrician or plumber, but now since the tax hike he makes 3% less or only $29,100 extra profit. So does he think that is so much less it’s not worth it? I don’t think so. If a business can make more profit, they will add a worker. Taxes are on profits, not on the number of workers you have on your payroll. There is no disincentive here. If a worker adds enough productivity to increase your pretax income, he will add to your after tax income.

October 21, 2008 at 6:09 pm

Robert Family of 5

Thank You Brian! It is about time someone explores the relativity of state economies. I live in California. It is frustrating to pay Federal Taxes compared to other states whose cost of living is half that of California. Why isn't this discussed more often? Equal standards of living with completely different costs and values demand different economic classifications. The cumulative state taxes in California are one of the highest in the US. Obama's simplistic plan to tax our way out of finacial problems and make the US population more dependent on our government to provide services scares me! We are taxed too much already! I would like to see more articles like this one that brings common sense analysis to "Dreams of Change".

October 21, 2008 at 5:56 pm

Anne L

YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!! I live in the Greater Boston area - my husband and I make close to $150K combined and have a small older home (built in 1954 $320K 2 years ago - 3 bed, 1 bath) and are barely saving a dime because of our cost of living - give me the same salary in Kansas and I'll be living LARGE!!!

October 21, 2008 at 5:55 pm

Mike Langlinais

You are exactly on the mark. The interesting thing will be - over a long period of time - to watch the migration to the "flyover" states. I suspect that the moderates in those states will move, leaving Northeast and West even more lopsidedly far left. Taken to the extreme, these areas of the country will become extremely stratified between very rich and very poor.

October 21, 2008 at 5:03 pm

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  • Brian Sullivan joined FOX Business Network (FBN) in April 2008 as an anchor. He co-anchors the 10am-12pm ET hours of the FOX Business block. Prior to joining FBN, Sullivan served as an anchor for Bloomberg Television where he hosted the programs Morning Call and In Focus.

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